Liverpool fans discuss the sale of Philippe Coutinho and Arsenal fans blame Stan Kroenke for the structure of the club, all in our forum.
Ox is a good player and I hope that even the keita is, but sorry, the coutinho will improve this team. Coutinho pulls the strings behind mane salah and the signature is a dream attack.
Certainly we miss the coutinho .. most of the teams we play these days will park the bus (until the bridge chelsea imagine this) and that is where we lose the eye for a ride, dribbling the ability to pass players and ability to shoot from outside the box to unlock the situation. Let's face it all our current midfielders are very fucking shots. Against Brighton we were poor in the 1st time and the 2nd time, the Salth started to go deep and dribbled the players in the midfield and we looked better. If he had Coutinho, he could have done it from the first time.
The city's midfielders are so incredible because it has 2 types of coutinho. The b silva and d silva players that make up the ball can dribble, pass and shoot.
I would like to resume Coutinho in the blink of an eye.
redsforever
Coutinho's qualities are evident to all Liverpool fans at this stage. It goes without saying that we (and any team) will miss us. You have to consider what we have now that we would not have if we still had Coutinho. It is not logical or rational to think about the lack of X, which you sold to pay for Y, which you are also praising today.
When we consider what we can pay by selling Coutinho and then not, we do not lack.
I would not give up on Van Dijk for love or money and I think it is widely accepted (rightly or wrongly) that Coutinho's sale paid Van Dijk. Perhaps an oversimplification, but its transfer has probably been considered for some time and paid large blocks of some of our transfers. The fact is that the money for Van Dijk and the others had to come somewhere and if we look at what Coutinho gave us, what we had before and what we have now, you are definitely saying that we have done very well.
With Coutinho we managed to make many goals. The variety of types of goals was perhaps better than now, as you're right, we do not have this far-reaching threat now. However, I think we're better off breaking buses now. Now we are even more resilient. But our present defense is day and night for what it was then. Van Dijk, Gomez, Robertson and Alisson have turned us from a weak defensive team into one of the best defenses in the world. Again, the value of the Coutinho transfer is immaterial, but this does not mean that it is not an indicative parameter. £ 100- £ 140 million goes much further when they are well spent and we spend very well.
I only touched what Coutinho was missing, but I've said it before. He was not a perfect player. He was a long way from being a perfect player but we got the kind of price you get for this kind of competition and we forgive Barça fans who looked at their highlights because they thought they were getting a lot more for what their money gave us.
Having said that, I would absolutely like to have it on our side, but not as a CM. I think he would do well in our 4231, playing in front of Wijnaldum and Fabinho. I mean, with those 2 and us who do not trust the press, their lack of defensive skill / off the ball could be forgiven.
After all, it's all because there is no way to abandon our new and improved defense, or other purchases (other than Keita - so far * crossed fingers *) just to bring someone back that can help us break down the defenses we are actually doing a lot better than when he was still here anyway.
All of this happened after it surfaced that we were very close to signing the VVD in the summer of 2017, but because we threw the gun and let the Southampton crowd withdraw from the deal.
If things went according to plan, the VVD would have been a Reds player even before Neymar was sold.
gingerlfc
I still think that the arrival of the VVD was contingent upon the sale of Coutinho. Yes, the VVD could have come in the summer if it were not for the gun, but you can not tell us for sure that we would not sell Coutinho that summer. I remember the boat's strong interest at that moment.
Kopite
January 2017 we are initially connected to the VVD.
Shortly thereafter, Coutinho signs a new agreement.
Declaration of release saying how happy he is, etc.
In early summer 2017, our interest in VVD is solidified and the news is published in the media. Everyone says we're close to completion.
Southampton is not happy and withdraws from the finals.
Starting in August 2017, the PSG falls in love with Neymar paying what was thought at the time of the ridiculous purchase clause.
The transfer market is never the same, prices have skyrocketed.
The boat now has a whole to fill. They did not think they would lose Neymar.
It is only at this stage that they look for Coutinho and make more offers.
In the end, Coutinho forwarded the transfer request, but we stayed until January.
So it's clear enough, we would have signed the VVD before Coutinho was a serious goal for Barca. They lost Neymar who did not want to and that was it, which accelerated the play of Coutinho.
The sale of Coutinho was one of the best things that happened to the club in recent years, immediately after the capture of Klopp by the FSG. Do not get me wrong I do not like Phil or I think he's a middleweight, but I think he held us especially in the last two seasons.
He was practically bigger than the club and Klopp was the star after Gerrard left and as such was able to wear the mantle of the player who asked the ball to his teammates and (Klopp alluded to him so much) he was even ignoring the manager's instructions to do what he wanted in the field.
Now, for a player receiving such latitude, a player must be on the same level as Gerrard, Pirlo or Zidane, but Phil was / is more on the same team as Eriksen or Modric.
In September 2017 he came back from a mysterious back injury and tied against Burnley at home and Newcastle with a win against Leicester entered the bench and then tied against the Utd and lost 4-1 against the Spurs shortly before his return we beat the Palace and Arsenal (4-0) at home. The draws against Burnley and Newcastle are not due to defensive errors, because we only concede 1 goals in these games. That's why you're absolutely right Mak, it was not a turning point when we needed to break the teams that parked the bus.
How many times have we seen him with speculative remote shots that went up in the stands in the last 10 minutes against the relegation candidates when we needed to score? And his desire to orchestrate things was disturbing us because the opposition had only to mark the man and suddenly we seemed toothless. Our football was one-dimensional and opposition leaders were having an easy task when they had to plan ways to frustrate us.
I am grateful to Fsg for bringing Klopp, the man who saw that although Phil was a joy to watch when he was playing, it would be better without him.
Some people say that Gazidis and Wenger have left us with this current mess. First, the gazidi were not as bad as people did. According to him, we generate the second highest income in England, even after considering the absolute horrible, I transfer the reports we have made over the years. Yes, I think the respectable gazidi for transfers, but also believe to increase the value of our club. Personally, I think it was ambitious and had a clear plan and structure in place. which was a real double-faced idiot who made a clear plan and left before he could fix it.
However, the most pressing problem is that everything happened after it started. He was someone who wanted to stay in Ramsey, but as soon as he left the contract offer, he was fired. So our team leader left the club (someone we did very well to get in), the emery manager was a good match, but there's no money to spend and we need to put a lot of emphasis on it.
Things have also waned considerably. But also as a matter of argument to anyone who thinks gazidi and Wenger are responsible, you understand E. Stanley Kroenke guys who had the power to dismiss both, if not both, at any time in the last 10 years but he did, probably because he did not care.
All take back Kronke trails, the difference between where we are and what he is capable of this club is a thousand miles around because the owner does not give two cocks at the club and only cares about the profits or because it grows in altitude.
Kronke is still in this club, almost makes me fall in love with this sport, not to mention the club all together. There's no hope with him in charge, it's so simple that I invite all fans to take all necessary steps to force him to sell his entire club membership to someone who genuinely cares about our success.
The special
The structure of the club is underway and Ivan and Wenger as well.
Yes, the main problem is Kroenke, but remember that Gazidis and Wenger are responsible for the salaries and agreements that were made. Yes, the Gazids made more money, but they also wasted a lot. Then things are worse with or without Ivan, we would be here anyway. He would have signed an exceptional agreement with Ramseys, which would have blocked us even more financially.
muffler_1
muffler - is virtually irrelevant to blaming Wenger Gazidis or ... As I said, you should put too much emphasis on the fact that Kronke had the power to dismiss either or both of them at any time. . He chose not to do this because of any of the three things, if not all of them.
1. You do not care enough about what's going on at the club.
2. The standards and ambitions set by him are so low that he probably also thought about doing a good job or even exceeding the limits
3. All that interests you are the profits and the increase in the value of your actions without spending a single penny for the success of this club.
The special
All I'm saying is that it does not matter who's in Ivan's shoes, so we're not worse off without him, like you said. It does not matter who we have there.
Ivan was nothing special, other than the fact that the money was quite right and left. Accidenti signed an agreement with a person who had no connection with the company with whom Ivan thought he had signed. It was also useless to negotiate contracts with players. Kroenke would never use his money. Ivan knew this and was still making calls to pay players a lot of money. With this model you can not do this.
Yes, Kroenke could have fired them, but it was only when we got to CL that the card house that he built began to crumble. Ivan left because the jig was active because he knew it would become more difficult. He was a mouse that left us in an unpleasant state, knowing full well that Kroenke would not save his ass. I'm sorry that Ivan did not apologize, regardless of the fact that I do not like Kroenke either
What do you think of Marcelo as a signature? He lost his place in Real in recent Madrid and seems to be interested in moving to Juventus to meet with Ronaldo, but honestly I think (as an established, high level player, even at 30 years old) competing with Shaw to this place would be great - he could even teach him to attack.
I wonder how much Real Madrid would ask him anyway. Still probably the best left back in the world in your day.
The gossip in Holland is that the town is closing for De ligt. United would be too stupid to let this rising star go to the city !! We need a great young defender and he has all the tools to be that player !!
Loney_striker
Kompany is in its last stages, so Pep is undoubtedly looking for a long-term substitute. The stones are at most irregular, so I can easily see the city this guy wants. We must do everything for him, imho. It's a beast from a boy.
killyboye
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